happyguykarl

Hello,
First I apologize if I had to introduce myself but I didn't find the right section to do so.
Sadly, I'm writing my first message here to complain about a bad deal from "happyguykarl".
In a few words, he sold a NOS Bond watch he had only wore 2 times.
When I received it, 2 days ago, 2 segments were missing, the face mask had rotated, the back case was scratched with unadapted opening tools.
I informed him and he closed is Paypal account saying :
"hi, just to inform you marc l sent the watch in good faith! l will not except you returning the watch as l have closed my bank and l move from the u.s back to colombia so if you wish to send the watch back! that fine its allways nice to get a free gift!
good luck your going to need it, and thankyou for shopping with ebay,-)

- happyguykarl"

This is definitely not what I would call a great experience for my first "nerd watch" buy since 1982 but I let you judge.

Marc
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I forgot to post the link of my buy :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/seiko-...rksid=p2047675.l2557

And now the seller puts it back on eBay while I still have it in my possession : http://www.ebay.com/itm/seiko-...rksid=p2047675.l2557

He is now more accurate to the reality but not exactly.
The photos he puts are taken avoiding the missing segments. The one taken angled backwards hides the low right missing of the 4 and the minutes show 0 which hides the missing center bar.
Of course it affects the date as well.
Biddings stop in 2 days but the watch is here in France waiting for a Paypal decision.
It is funny to see he doesn't want to ship to France anymore as if we french people were all responsible for his dishonesty.
To precisely describe the watch, I would say the top of the case and bracelet are in pristine condition, the back of the case slightly scratched by removals, the battery lid good, the glass has a few very light scratches barely noticeable, the lcd surounding mask is slightly out of place, the LCD screen is bright with no mark but missing 2 segments and the settings buttons all work so does the light bulb.
This is what I call an honest description and the item could really interest a Bond collector but not a watch wearer like me.
Thank you Adam, I have already opened a dispute on Paypal.
It is my first time doing this so I am a bit scared to not have the full refund I deserve.
The seller seems very confortable with those kind of procedures.
Moreover, it has quite brought down my wish to start a little LCD watches collection : 0624, 0634-5019, 0674 and A128 are/were my initial needs.
As a result, I wish I bought Erik's non-working 0624.
I asked him a lot and he replyed very quickly and friendly.
Now I am scared I will have to be ripped off several times in order to find a working circuit board and/or LCD screen.
Good people like Erik (11je12je) always pay for bad ones like that Karl.
I'm so sorry to enter this world of nostalgia and supposed fun this way.
I wish Erik will sell his watch a good price and I will not regret his good looking case too long.
I really wanted a great LCD watch for my 40 year birthday this month.
Marc from south west France
If you want my honest opinion I think you got the watch for an absolute steal. A 0674-5009 James Bond for $400.00 in my opinion is a fantastic price. There is a new glass available on ebay at the moment and the digits could possibly be mended by adjusting the prongs to the lcd panel. The most important part of the 0674 is a good lcd panel and of course the correct band which you have.
So as long as you still have the watch I dont think you'd lose too much if you photographed it properly and resold it if paypal dont give you your money back.

Adam
Thanks for your kind analysis DWL.
I also think I made a great deal if that was honestly presented.
The problem is I have been fooled and threatened a lot (I didn't post every message to avoid flooding).
My guess is the watch can be quite easily repaired by a cautious person like me.
However, someone if not the seller has tried and didn't managed to do so.
As I am an very honest person, I plan not to open the watch neither wear it until the problem is solved ; it sits in its box and shipping case for now.
Of course, if I won't get a refund I will try and hopefully succeed in restoring it back to normal life.
The watch is overall great and I admited it when I wrote to the seller but he duped me, lied after the sale etc.
Do you believe it is normal to act like he did and now does putting it on eBay as I still have it ?
I have seen the glasses for sale but I don't thing it includes the front mask does it ?
The glass in itself doesn't need to be replaced to my mind.
Please PM me if you think it is better to let me know more about its usual real price (I have seen 1500$ and I think it is crazy).
Do I have a chance to get a LCD and circuit board ?
Doing this you may help me take the decision to clear the dispute and try averything I can on it.
A thing I know is I would have never tried to abuse someone trust and if I sell a thing that only partially works, then I tell it first.
PS : this site and forum are a mine of information for me, so is the digital watch library.
Even I am more into mechanical and automatic watches, I'd like to thank to everyone who can help and keep the LCD passion alive.
Hi Marc and I welcome you to this great and very informative forum! I will strongly agree with DWL on his belief that the Seiko 0674 you have is an absolute steal. That watch you have is an icon all over the watch collectors world! I have had several of that calibre of the 0674 and I have to say it is the most desireable of the Bond watches. It is a huge "Movie-Star" iconic timepiece. What you have can definitely be repaired. It may take a while to locate the parts needed to repair it completely but my advice is for you to keep it. I am too very sorry of your first time experience in your quest of watch collecting but please don't stop there. Continue your collecting and you will find very nice pieces and your continued search will return excellent returns. May I suggest an eBay member--schillachi61 for possible Seiko parts in NOS condition? This member has the ability to locate Seiko parts. Good luck.
Thanks T:meline and everybody for your enthusiastic comments.
I have previously seen schillachi61 on eBay but
I thank you for the link and will mark him as a prefered seller for spare parts.
Could you tell me if "luke2005on" can be trusted for selling the right glasses ?
In case I find an arrangement with the (very) rude seller, I'll keep the watch.
I know it is a bit too much to ask a discount but I won't accept to be treated like that without a substantial compensation.
I beleive he has to pay for his dishonesty and rudeness.
DWL would be a better source for the glass number I.D. I would only know it as the crystal replacement number of 0674-5009. Seiko had so many replacement part numbered I.D.'s for their watches that I could not possibly know which belongs to which one. I could only associate with the actual watch calibre. As for eBay member--schillachi61, yes, some of the Seiko parts will cost alittle more than one would want or expect, but the results will yield a very attractive watch. I know that there are many watch collectors worldwide that would purchase the right genuine part to actually have a watch as close to New-Old-Stock as possible and even put alittle money aside little-by-little until they are able to actually purchase them. I have done that for some 30+ years in watch collecting and it truly has paid off very nicely for me. Try to chat with some of the sellers of these watches and parts and see if they will work with you on the payment--I have done this and it has done well for me.
Sorry T:imeline, I edited my message as I realize I was confusing Schillachi61 with another seller, so I removed my "high price tag" note.
Thanks for the contacts.
Quietman you stuck me on my seat with that precise answer and a link to an affordable glass.
The joke "bonded" made me smile wich is very appreciated these days. ;-)
Many thanks my friends !
I think I'll gamble a little and keep the watch if we find a satisfying arrangement with the seller.
As the seller still threatens me of loosing everything if don't accept a partial refund, I decided to contact Paypal to get full refund.
They advise me to send the watch back with a sign in option and tell me I'll get a full refund.
The problem is the seller says he's going to state I have broken it and I'll get nothing (neither watch nor money).
Do you beleive I'm taking a risk ?
I'm so fed up with this transaction that I'm not sure this watch will satisfy me someday.
It's a shame because I was close to accept a partial refund and wear a great watch, but I would need to work on it and all the attacks of the seller have tired me so much.
Bad karma I guess ...
If you are going to send it back make sure you post this mans responses on Paypal or Ebay dispute. You can also call Paypal or Ebay for advice in the matter.
Unless they gave you 100% that you will receive your money back(you wont receive your return postage) I would keep the watch and resell. like I said I think you got it at an amazing price anyway. I dont think you'll be too far off recouping your money or even make more if you get all the digits working.

regards

Adam
My advice is not to send it back: you loose the watch and the seller is going to Colombia.
Ebay/Paypal are allways supporting the others.... (my experience Frowner)
If you have bad memories/thoughts to the watch because of the seller you can sell it (as Adam told you too) to get your money back.
You'd have to be crazy to send it back.

Faults and all, you got a great deal.

Just let it go. Ebay is a bit of a jungle, sometimes you get bitten other times you get a close escape.

I think you've done well and whilst you may be morally in the right, kicking up a fuss is pointless as you'll only end up in a less advantageous position.
I guess you are all right regarding the price paid for this special item.
As you might have understood, it's a matter of morality and I might be a bit touchy when it comes to honesty.
Seiko Collector, I still have the watch and the seller has put it again on the bay to be sure he can sell it and have more buyers to contact, just in case.
To my mind, that's a quite good survey of his consideration upon people and trading.
He began to threaten me as soon as I politely asked for the cause of the defects and the way to find a solution.
He has never wanted me to send it back.
Whatever I finally decide to do, I thank you all for taking care of my case and giving friendly advices.
mariachi_el: That is what this forum is about. We are a very close-knit family of very serious watch collectors and we WILL stand by you and anyone else who is also serious and also that we know you are a very honest individual. Again, I will state that my advise is to KEEP the watch. You will find someday that the Seiko will get you happy--promise!! I know this because I went through a very similar situation as yourself, so I understand where it is you are coming from. Take care my friend-we ARE here to help you and teach you things about these fine digitals that you probably never knew. This is the best place on the planet to learn this.
quote:
I still have the watch and the seller has put it again on the bay to be sure he can sell it and have more buyers to contact, just in case.


Forgive me , but i don't quite understand.
How can he sell a watch that is not in his possession?
Someone will bid on it and will not get the watch?
There are 3 bids on the watch right now.
That's the point !
He doesn't care to make people hope for something he promises but can't provide.
A NOS watch 99% perfect that I bought converted into a 80% perfect watch he won't send.
Believe me, I did only publish a very few of the non-sense I have read these days from him.
However, he seems to be good at finding valuable items, not only the one I bought.

A technical question : would you try to open the watch with 2 little screw-drivers and the help of a friend ?
I don't have the dedicated tool for the back case and it is already slightly scratched around the location where the tool must be inserted.
I ask that only in the case I decide to keep the watch, I wouldn't try anything if I didn't consider it my definitive own property.
quote:
Originally posted by T:MELINE:
My thinking is, he might have more than just one of the same type watch.


From what he told me it is not the case ; who really knows...
The pictures are those of the actual watch I own with small white upper lines between LCD and crystal.
I can't see what it is without binocular ; I'll inspect it at work tomorrow.
Do you think it is some glue, some missing black paint, slight cracks ?
I know that when I list a watch, eBay will have a link to the watch that is being listed that there is a way to keep the watch photos of the exact one that is being listed as a future templet to use if you have more than one of the same watch. That is so that the seller won't have to take more photos of the same item but use what is already been photographed. However, I think in this case, this guy is using that tactic to just keep you angry at him. To me, I would list his eBay I.D. in the "NO BIDDERS" list and that should keep him from being able to write back to you in the "message" link.
As for the glue, I'm not able to see it in the photos. It could be all that you have described, but even if it is, that watch IS repairable!!
Thanks T:meline for the ebay "how to" advices, I'm not trained to this at all so it's helpfull.
I've just seen he sold the same day an Octopussy one.
The buyer says it has defects although it was listed "fully functionnal".
I add this just in case somebody would think my pickyness is the problem. Wink
Now it's time for me to make up my mind and try not to bother you all again with this buy.
I hope someday I'll post photos of the watch 100% working at my wrist. Cool
Thanks a LOT for advise me, because the seller send me an invoice for pay the watch.
In my personal opinion you must take a partial refund the wstch can be repared in italy there are all shop that make a glass for watch if you have problem you can ship the watch by me and i make the glass the shop take only 10 euros.
For the circuit i have a preowned module but not working if you have a good watchers use the part of broken module for repair a new.
Next time ask about any sellers first to Adam or other members of PCs they will know good the sellers.
Regards
Originally Posted by mariachi_el:

I have forgotten a major defect on this watch ...

... the printer has been reversed while reassembling.

 

LOL!!!!!!!!! That is a great picture.

Just caught this thread and I must say it sounds like a real nightmare ebay seller.

Good to see you're taking it with good humour though (sometimes you just have to laugh at these scammers/losers/scumbags or it'll just wind you up!).

Good luck with whatever you decide to do though man.

Originally Posted by Stefano_78:
Thanks a LOT for advise me, because the seller send me an invoice for pay the watch.
In my personal opinion you must take a partial refund the wstch can be repared in italy there are all shop that make a glass for watch if you have problem you can ship the watch by me and i make the glass the shop take only 10 euros.
For the circuit i have a preowned module but not working if you have a good watchers use the part of broken module for repair a new.
Next time ask about any sellers first to Adam or other members of PCs they will know good the sellers.
Regards

You're welcome Stefano_78, if I can avoid troubles to people it's always a pleasure.

Apparently we agreed on a partial refund which of course he never made. 

First he tried to make me close the complain at Paypal and then made me wait as long at the case would close by itself (time limit).

He is definitely a scammer, be aware of this.

Thank you for the help offer but I'll try my best on my own first.

Maybe I should have asked here before I ordered but he seemed to be honest regarding the previous feedback and the auction was close to end when I saw it.

Originally Posted by cassyho:
LOL!!!!!!!!! That is a great picture.

Just caught this thread and I must say it sounds like a real nightmare ebay seller.

Good to see you're taking it with good humour though (sometimes you just have to laugh at these scammers/losers/scumbags or it'll just wind you up!).

Good luck with whatever you decide to do though man.

Thanks Cassyho for having appreciated the humour.

I have to admit it has been my worst trading experience in whole life, more emails exchanged than I have ever written on eBay.

I'm sure I'll soon enjoy this watch in a great shape with some personal work as it will have been so difficult to acheive.

Sorry to hear about your lousy experience. The seller sounds like a complete asshat to me.

 

With that said -- awesome looking watch. I'm be no means a pro when it comes to modules, but I'd surely give it a go (carefully of course!). A watch looking that great it would be a shame to not at least try. And hey, the other guys says go for it ... 

Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose ; see what I did to my so desired A128-5000.

 

For now, let's be more enthusiastic !

Thanks to quietman, I bought a glass from "masterpemberton2009" for my 0674.

Thanks to DWL (Adam), I trained at straightening on used pushers.

Thanks to all your advices, I disassembled, lightly cleaned and reassembled everything into place.

I have to admit I sweat a lot as I replaced the glass and straighten the pusher with pliers one day after ruining my A128 ; my hands where shaking under the binocular magnifier. 

 

Now the 0674 is completely functional and looks very good even it is not absolutely mint.

I enjoy wearing this watch more and more everyday I do and you guys are in some way responsible of my happiness.

 

I'm so glad I joined PCS and will post photos of the Bond watch soon ; maybe in a dedicated post rather than this one for a fresh start. 

 

(edit : I didn't correctly write the glass seller's name)

I'm glad you're happy with the watch now, they are quite nice and rare.

 

I have to admit I sweat a lot as I replaced the glass and straighten the pusher with pliers one day after ruining my A128 ; my hands where shaking under the binocular magnifier.

That's my problem sometimes as well , mariachi

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